The Red Star, the Great Eye, and the Third-Age Astronomer:  Theories and Headcanons

The world is bent, the morning star of Eärendil guards the Door of Night, and a red star on the southern horizon shines brighter as the October moon wanes…  What happens to the stars of Varda’s heaven now that the earth is globed? 

At the top of Barad-dûr, both in its original and reconstructed state, there is an astronomical observatory. The “Great Eye” of Sauron can be two things: it can refer to the power of Sauron’s intense concentration upon the lands of Mordor, sometimes merely the sensation of being watched, and other times manifesting as a physically oppressive or compelling force; and less frequently, when the the winds are right and the smog and volcanic ash clear to allow a rare view of very top of Barad-dûr above the clouds, it can refer to the glinting lens of an enormous telescope. 

When his shade is not busy micromanaging the troops, or searching for the One Ring, or haunting the palantir, Sauron is charting stars. Specifically, he is interested in the one red star that is only visible when the light of the star of Eärendil is on the far horizon. The red star is much dimmer than Rothinzil, and when the two share the sky it is scarcely visible. It is considered a bad omen in the western lands, though only the Edain know why– the star of Eärendil and the red star became visible in the heavens at the same moment at the closing of the First Age, one set to guard the other in an asynchronous orbit. They do not call the red star by any other name, but it is written in the annals of old Numenor that this is the last ember of Morgoth, imprisoned in beyond the walls of the world in the timeless Void. 

Sauron’s monitoring of the star began in the Second Age. During his reign as god-king of Mordor and Harad, the first citadel of Barad-dûr was not merely a fortress but a grand palace, the seat of power and a repository of wealth and knowledge. A great observatory was built upon its highest tower, accessible to the scholars and astronomers of Harad, whose knowledge of mathematics and astronomy was rivaled only by the star-charters of Numenor. During the Second Age, it seemed to Sauron that there might be a direct path from Numenor into the uttermost West, and beyond it the Door of Night through which his master was banished. Though impossible for one such as him to pass undisturbed into Aman, there might yet be a way to distract the powers that be long enough for a spirit to examine the portal… 

But whatever his plans had been for the invasion, the outcome was inconclusive. Numenor and the direct route to the West was destroyed along with Sauron’s body, and shortly after, the observatory at Barad-dûr. 

The Third Age progressed for many slow and frustrating centuries before Sauron was able to rebuild some semblance of what was lost to him. Lacking all but a shade of his physical body and much of his native power in his missing Ring, he sulks and plots a long campaign from his tower, alone. 

It is during this isolated period of observation and tracking, that he determines there are actually two sets of stars: one set that represents physical suns and planets that appeared after the world was globed, and those of Varda’s heaven as it was in the beginning. These two spheres have a complex, subtle interaction that represents the alignment of the Old Arda and the New. The stars of Varda’s heaven drift and grow dimmer as the Third Age progresses, perhaps due to the waning of the elves.

When the last of the Elves sail into the West, and the Age of Men truly begins, the Straight Road will likely dwindle from existence entirely, untethering Middle Earth from Aman completely. As much as he looks forward to the departure of the Elves, Sauron fears this eventuality; the Elves are the sands in an hourglass that marks the end of his ability to send aid to his Master– if the Straight Road vanishes, so too does his access to the Door of Night. 

The celestial spheres do not frequently intersect in his favor; the red star only rarely appears without its guarding satellite while positioned where the Straight Road points to it like the needle of a compass. He does not have his Ring, which he needs in order to have the strength to make a final assault on the West, and there are foes at his very doorstep causing an endless barrage of distractions. But if he could just find his Ring, there might still be a way forward. If he could just focus without interruption for a moment, he could finally thread the eye of the needle, before it shuts closed forever. 

skyeventide:

adzolotl:

adzolotl:

glumshoe:

Why are blacksmiths so stigmatized in folklore? What about the profession gave them such a bad name and caused them to be closely associated with the Devil?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smith_and_the_Devil “may be one of the oldest European folk tales […] possibly being first told in Indo-European 6,000 years ago”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksmiths_of_western_Africa “feared in some societies for their skill in metalworking, considered a form of magic“

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/039219216801606202 Maybe because traditional smelting techniques involve, human sacrifice? Allegedly?? Or maybe “Molten metal that flows is associated with flowing blood because
of its color, heat and the danger that arises from it”

okay now i’m Invested

https://irishfolklore.wordpress.com/2017/03/13/blacksmiths-and-the-supernatural/ “Their ability to turn raw materials such as iron ore or bog iron into usable tools and weapons made them seem like they were in possession of magic.“ … “8thcentury hymn to protect people from the ‘spells of women, smiths and druids’”

http://akkadium.com/fire-forge-glimpsing-craft-ethiopian-blacksmith/ “traditional beliefs that the earth is sacred, and fire (heat) is potentially polluting”

My third link concludes:

Those who are only slightly familiar with anthropology are aware
of the many explanations that have been proposed to account for the “blacksmith complex". He is impure because he is in contact
with iron (a loathsome and repulsive element), or with fire (from
which demons are born), or because he forges murderous weapons; or because he is endogamous, or is not independent, or because
blacksmiths are the dregs of conquered peoples, do not produce
their own food, do not go to war, and break some unknown divine
interdict. They are respected because they have dared to break
a divine interdict, because they make useful instruments, because
they are rich, because they are initiators, educators, religious chiefs,
peace-makers, sacrificers, civilising heroes, and even, according to
the embryological theory of M. Eliade, because they help the Earth
to give birth to minerals and in so doing are a substitute for Time etc. Their powers issue from their tools, from spirits hidden in
the bellows of their smithies, from fire, from the “numinous” force
of iron, from the ornaments they forge for shamans; or from the
celestial origins of their techniques, from their novelty, from the
fact that these secret techniques are hereditary, or simply because
they are in their possession; or again from the “ambivalent magic
of weapons made of stone,” which, by emitting sparks when
struck, are likened to lightning, a magic that is transmitted into
the metal; or from the fact that they forge flashes of lightning
for the gods, etc… 

One can see that, even when they contain elements of truth,
all these explanations are one-sided and often in need to be
explained themselves. The only valid explanation is one that can
show the inner reason for the different manifestations of the
“blacksmith complex” and their coexistence, and attain to the
structure that determines their interconnection and renders them
interdependent. 

An interpretation that coordinates the various elements of the
problem, on the basis of the blacksmith’s violation of taboo, should
satisfy these conditions. It would form part of a wider interpretation
of magical violations of taboo in general, based on an
analysis of the nature and function of taboos.

I remember reading that, in the Middle Ages, Muslims had a restricted number of professions available to them in Christian lands, among these blacksmithing, which may have come from the association of the blacksmith with the devil or may have fed into it, or both.

I can’t find an actual source for this right now, a brief google search isn’t helping me, but it seemed worth noting.

(also @theotherwesley)

Here’s a great bit from the BBC documentary Secrets of the Castle where they talk about how blacksmiths were seen as being able to participate in black magic but were also paradoxically immune to its corrupting effects, able to “tweak the devil’s nose” and get away with it. 

Also since this is my Tolkien blog, it’s interesting to note that technology, particularly metalworking, is viewed as a powerful corruptive force in Tolkien’s work. Metal and wheels pitted against trees and water; it’s all very much based on this trope in mythology. Aulë’s forces are the only ones amongst the Valar that are capable of being corrupted to evil; Sauron and Saruman are both maiar of Aulë, Aulë dared to create the semblance of life before Eru’s children had awoken on earth when he made the dwarves, and the dwarves in turn are suspect because they can be corrupted by their love of metals and gems; the Noldor are beloved of Aulë and it is the Noldor who first use his teachings to forge weapons and bring violence to Aman. We’re told that Aulë is the closest in temperament to Melkor, but his works are not inherently evil because he still submits to the divine authority. 

undercat-overdog:

So here’s something
weird: why did Míriel and Pharazôn marry so late? They were 138 and
137 (respectively) at their marriage, however Palantír was 82 when
Míriel was born and Gimilkhâd 74 when Pharazôn was born, which
meant they would have been married when they were no later than 81 or
73 (again respectively).

Looking at
the line of kings from when they changed to having names in Adûnaic,
none of those kings’ first children were born to a king over 100:
Adûnakhôr was 89 when his eldest son was born, Zimrathôn 78,
Sakalthôr 84, and Gimilzôr 75. They all certainly would have been
married by then, so their age at marriage would probably be in their
late 60s to late 70s.

And yet both Míriel
and Pharazôn went unmarried for twice as long. This is particularly
strange considering their expected lifespan: Sakalthôr, Gimilzôr,
and Palantír all died in their early 200s, and Gimilkhâd was 199 at
his death, so Míriel and Pharazôn probably only had another 80
years of life at most when they finally married/were forced to marry.

Míriel’s case in
particular is strange. You could posit that Pharazôn wanted to
postpone his marriage because he planned to marry Míriel and take
over the kingship, as did happen (though it would probably would have
been Gimilkhâd’s idea originally). But Míriel should have married
earlier, for both political and dynastic reasons. Even if she and
Palantír (and Inzilbêth) were worried about a Vanimelde
situation, it’s hard to believe that particular risk would outweigh the benefits. It’s possible that Palantír’s father Gimilzôr
forbade Míriel’s marriage to a suitable candidate during his lifetime, but that shouldn’t
have affected what Míriel did once her father took the throne. And
frankly, Pharazôn not marrying made Míriel’s political future even
more at risk. Perhaps Míriel had a childless first marriage and
was a widow when Pharazôn forced her to marry, but I rather think
that would be mentioned?

Anyways, there was
probably some really interesting politicking going on in Gimilzôr
and Palantír’s courts, and that’s the only conclusion I feel able to draw from this.

redsixwing
replied to your post “I’m feeling v sick today  ;v;  ask me questions about Silm ships or…”

Moar chubby elf friend, please?

>w> throwing me a softball, eh? I like it!

– I have more headcanons for Salgant than I have any right to. He’s just one of those characters that you can like, take a leaf-clipping of canon, repot, and grow and entirely new character from in your head. Tolkien wrote exactly enough about Salgant for him to become my favorite NPC in the Silmarillion (which he does not actually appear in). I mean, our one canon-confirmed chubby elf? That is my absolute top priority, thank you. 

–I can and will ship him with my other favs because no one on earth has the power to stop me from giving love interests to every fat character.

–Soft lads who are just a little bit craven but have a heart of gold, secretly more clever/resourceful than they look, and are generally disliked by their peers but have a surprising friend in the tall-dark-handsome Loner Boy are my weakness. (*cough*SamwellTarly*cough*) 

–I can tell you with absolute certainty that Salgant is hot as hell and has The Best ass and everyone in Gondolin is fucking weak for not admitting it. 

–The way he’s described in canon makes me think he handles money. Like, House of the Harp is definitely in charge of banking in Gondolin, and this makes everyone salty and the historians are petty. I want my boy to have a good head for numbers and finance and also pastries and literature. 

–HE BABYSITS EÄRENDIL.  HE IS BABY EAR’S NANNY. HE READS HIM BOOKS AND TELLS FUNNY STORIES. I’M SCREAMING. THIS IS A REAL THING.

–Maeglin was definitely his first kiss. 

Hi! in Tolkien’s works there is not mention about any female friendship (at least none that I could recall) and I have been wondering how would have been the relationship between the two princess, Aredhel and Galadriel. Do you have any hc in mind? thanks!

atariince:

Hi anon !

Actually, a
few female friendships are explicitly given
in the texts, such as Melian and Galadriel or Anairë and Eärwen (and I would add Vairë
and Miriel from Vairë’s words in the LQS) – but it is true that it’s far from
being enough!!

Unfortunately, I don’t
really picture Galadriel and Aredhel as particularly close (for various
reasons). Don’t take me wrong, I
don’t think there was any tension between them ; In fact there must have been a
lot of respect and even admiration (and competition), but I don’t imagine them
as great friends. I think they had their own specific groups of friends outside the House of Finwë, and that they rarely mingle.

Nonetheless, they were the same age, so I believe they would often spend time together during their childhood, and I like to imagine that they were both (unconsciously)
influenced by one another – because even if they have quite different
temperaments, they also share more than one feature. Growing up together, but having very different interests, while at the same time
being similar in stubbornness (and in pride?)… it must have been quite challenging to
take care of the little girls when they were together! 

Do I believe they were
quite troublesome? Yes absolutely. Do I think they encouraged each other’s defiant attitude through dares and challenges? Totally! I like to picture the two children both as accomplice
and in perpetual competition, their affection and trust for one another merging
with an odd feeling of envy. You could see them playing innocently together
for an hour or so, and suddenly they would pull at each other’s hair because “she
said my pony was dumb!” – “and she stole my wooden sword!”. And thirty minutes
later they would joyfully play tag while baby-sitter-Finrod and/or baby-sitter-Angrod would panic
because the children can no longer be found but in fact the girls are just
hiding in a tree, trying to not giggle. 

So this relationship – between fondness
and competition – would remain ambivalent as they grow older, while their interests in different
matters would somehow pull them apart… that’s partly why I don’t really believe in a strong friendship between them – I mean, you can like someone and appreciate their company without seeing them as your friend. I tend to imagine some sort of respectful and amiable relationship, relying more on the good memories
of their childhood than on the ‘here and now’. Besides, I have some very strong
headcanons about Aredhel’s evolution among her own friends, and I’m
afraid that Galadriel isn’t part of that group, precisely because she has friends
of her own outside the family.

Loose Connections – Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadil

elodieunderglass:

systlin:

kittyknowsthings:

argumate:

exitpursuedbyamormont:

colorfuloddity:

ironiconion:

What do we know about Tom Bombadil? He is fat and jolly and smiles all the time. He is friendly and gregarious and always ready to help travellers in distress.

Except that none of that can possibly be true.

Wow.

#YOU WERE RIGHT TO FEAR THE BOMB

yikes

@systlin Have you seen this?

NO and also ME AND MOM HAVE BEEN SAYING THERE IS SOMETHING UP WITH TOM BOMBADIL and THIS IS WHY

I like the idea, because I love Tom Bombadil. Personally I think I’ll stick with Bombadil as Tolkien intended: He is England, the genius loci of a nation, placed in Middle Earth as ecological and spiritual touchstone. (He is also, weirdly, the embodiment of science, but it makes sense in context.)

Tolkien wrote on the deliberate status of Bombadil, one of his oldest OCs, as an obscurity – a necessary mystery. In his guise as a pre-LOTR OC, Bombadil is explicitly a manifestation of the vanishing chalk downland of England (which is one of the big eco-spiritual themes of Lord of the Rings). And if we refer back to Elodie’s Puck Rant, we see the connections between Tom Bombadil and Puck of Puck of Pook’s Hill – the Oldest Old Thing in England – a breaker of narrative and agent of chaos.

“Do you think Tom Bombadil, the spirit of the (vanishing) Oxford and Berkshire countryside, could be made into the hero of a story?” Tolkien wrote to Stanley Unwin in 1937, about his favorite OC, before his more famous works. 

 He is fundamentally neutral, and unconcerned with the strivings of men, wars and modern gods. He is The Land, married to The River – this is a recurring theme in literature from the British Isles, this concept of the anthropomorphic personification of The Beloved Land ™, a descendant of the Roman idea of the genius loci, or spirit-of-place. He does not give a shit about the squabbles of elves and wizards, because he is English hedgerow, woodland and downland. He breaks the narrative – Tolkien knew he broke the narrative and distorted the story – but that’s part of the very mechanism of this character – he’s a namer and a narrator, the land expressing itself, first and fatherless.

Probably the best evidence for this are Tolkien’s own words which explain Bombadil’s construction and inclusion.

“Tom Bombadil is not an important person—to the narrative. […] he represents something that I feel important…”

[…]

“I might put it this way. The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you have, as it were, taken ‘a vow of poverty’, renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the questions of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless…”

[…]

“And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).”

Then we can look at descriptions of Puck – shapeshifter, trickster, neutral figure, the wild welsh Pwca bound together with the benevolent English Goodfellow by Shakespeare:

(FAIRY)

Either I mistake your shape and making quite,
Or else you are that shrewd and knavish sprite
Called Robin Goodfellow […]

(PUCK)

Thou speakest aright;
I am that merry wanderer of the night. 

Puck, being highly folkloric, continues from Shakespeare in this Robin/Puck fusion, and appears in the WEIRDEST fuckin places:

Robin Goodfellow appears in an 1856 speech by Karl Marx: “In the signs that bewilder the middle class, the aristocracy and the poor profits of regression, we recognize our brave friend Robin Goodfellow, the old mole that can work the earth so fast, that worthy pioneer – the Revolution.”

In the 1906 fantasy Puck of Pook’s Hill by Rudyard Kipling we come to know Puck as the genius loci of England (in particular chalk downland):

“I came into England with Oak, Ash and Thorn, and when Oak, Ash and Thorn are gone I shall go too.”

“England is a bad country for Gods. Now, I began as I mean to go on […] I belong here, you see, and I have been mixed up with people all my days.”

it’s also implied in an acoompanying poem that the immortal Puck is required (like the ravens in the Tower of London) for the country to “live”:

England shall bide till Judgement Tide,
By Oak and Ash and Thorn!

When Puck shapeshifts to present himself as a human man in Puck of Pook’s Hill, he calls himself Tom Shoesmith, is silver-bearded/blue-eyed/brown-skinned, wears bright clothing and banters in songs and rhymes – but we immediately know who he is, despite this change in form:

‘Oh, I’ve bin to Plymouth, I’ve bin to Dover—
I’ve bin ramblin’, boys, the wide world over,’

the man answered cheerily. ‘I reckon I know as much of Old England as most.’

This chimes again in Edward Thomas’s 1917 poem, Lob, that describes the same entity – Tom, Robin, Hob [Goblin], Lob – as a mischievous/benevolent immortal who takes the form of an older man; a wanderer within the land he embodies, (spirit) guide to travelers, blue-eyed and brown-skinned, in bright clothing (usually with a blue coat), naming and therefore mastering the world around him – we realize that this Lob also speaks in rhyme, when the reader realizes that the person explaining this is actually Lob himself: 

[…]The man was wild
And wandered. His home was where he was free.
Everybody has met one such man as he.
Does he keep clear old paths that no one uses
But once a lifetime when he loves or muses?
He is English as this gate, these flowers, this mire.
And when at eight years old Lob-lie-by-the-fire
Came in my books, this was the man I saw.
He has been in England as long as dove and daw […]

[…]This is tall Tom that bore
The logs in, and with Shakespeare in the hall
Once talked, when icicles hung by the wall.
As Herne the Hunter he has known hard times. […]

(I’m not the only person to say this, btw)

Puck-Lob-Tom-Rob in these works is also associated with barrows, downs, and Things That Live Under the Hills – although he is portrayed as the master of those things, since he is not from under-the-hill, and because he cannot die. Though this is a pretty subtle thing, to me it continues this British Isles Archetype ™ and the whole thing where The King Is The Land and so on, and I feel this is a deeper understanding of Bombadil-the-character. He is also associated with entities like bees – big, unknowable things – more necessary mysteries. (I don’t know, this is all getting a bit BBC Radio.)

So Tom Bombadil is clearly harkening back to this archetype of England-as-a-character-in-its-own-folklore. And that’s why, when Frodo asks, basically, “what the fuck is he, tho?” Goldberry simply says, “He is.” 

Puck is a breaker and creator of narrative (and in fact a narrator, who tells the stories and gives you dreams – and then tells you that all stories are dreams.) Riddler, wanderer, speaking in rhyme and poetic references, he addresses the audience directly and distorts the stories he’s in.

This is also Tom Bombadil – so… what the heck? Why do this? Why shove Tom Bombadil into a narrative (LotR) where OP (and everyone else) notice he doesn’t fit? In fact, he sticks out so badly that he isn’t included in film adaptations – he would break the immersion too much. Even Tolkien knew this. So why?

Let’s go back to Tolkien quickly:

I don’t think Tom needs philosophizing about, and is not improved by it. But many have found him an odd or indeed discordant ingredient. In historical fact I put him in because I had already ‘invented’ him independently (he first appeared in the Oxford Magazine) and wanted an ‘adventure’ on the way. But I kept him in, and as he was, because he represents certain things otherwise left out. I do not mean him to be an allegory – or I should not have given him so particular, individual, and ridiculous a name – but ‘allegory’ is the only mode of exhibiting certain functions: he is then an ‘allegory’, or an exemplar, a particular embodying of pure (real) natural science: the spirit that desires knowledge of other things, their history and nature, because they are ‘other’ and wholly independent of the enquiring mind, a spirit coeval with the rational mind, and entirely unconcerned with ‘doing’ anything with the knowledge: Zoology and Botany, not Cattle-breeding or Agriculture . Even the Elves hardly show this : they are primarily artists.

Also T.B. exhibits another point in his attitude to the Ring, and its failure to affect him. You must concentrate on some pan, probably relatively small, of the World (Universe), whether to tell a tale, however long, or to learn anything however fundamental – and therefore much will from that ‘point of view’ be left out, distorted on the circumference, or seem a discordant oddity. The power of the Ring over all concerned, even the Wizards or Emissaries, is not a delusion – but it is not the whole picture, even of the then state and content of that pan of the Universe.

This is first Tom Bombadil as scientist, the means by which the Universe observes itself. More than that: he is the spirit of science.

And this is also Tom Bombadil as reminder that the Land endures, and that the story of the Ring is only a fraction of the Universe. In fact, it’s a small and frankly rather irrelevant part; even though all the other frail mortal characters are wildly obsessed with it, it means nothing to the Big Geology. 

This is Tolkien, startlingly, as an ecologist. After the wars, when the heroes are dead, there is always The Land. After the pettiness and exchange of money and waste of lives, there is still The Climate. All of these dramas are conducted against a bigger backdrop, which cannot really be broken by political trinkets. The bigger picture, always, is England. It’s an interesting thing for a storyteller to pull off – introduce a mechanism into your story that breaks your story, showing how the story itself is not the whole picture. Even though it annoys people. Just to make a point. Very meta. Very Puckish. 

(In a sense Game of Thrones kind of does this, by quietly pointing out that the political squabbles for a single throne are all very cute and distracting, but that Winter is Coming – the zombies can probably be defeated, but the climate itself is the big real story here.)

(This is also something that we could think about in 2018. As interesting as all these money concerns and hobbies and celebrities are, and as much as we obsess over the latest Threat to Our Whole Existence, we are picking over a tiny piece of the picture, which is meaningless against the big backdrop of The Environment.) 

Bombadil is the Big Sublime that makes our concerns trivial and meaningless. We don’t like to see him belittling the One Ring, because we want to believe that our concerns are Actually Very Important. We like to believe that our latest cycle of drama is as significant as it feels to us.

So going back to Tom’s role in the narrative. What does England care for one ring? What does the living earth care about jewelry, however spooky? What promises could a demon offer the land itself? What power – natural or supernatural – could make Puck shut the fuck up? There isn’t anything – not even God. The land is the land. 

Instead (as Tolkien points out, and anyone who feels a Vague Mystical Connection to the Earth will agree) the land is mostly concerned with its trees and kingfishers and poetry. The earth will host and care for you in its benevolence, but it can’t – and won’t – save you from your own machines, and their consequences. Its only interest in little dark magics, fleeting power-obsessions, capitalism, etc is in whether or not these things will affect its kingfishers and its rivers. Today, we would challenge Bombadil not with the spooky dark power of a ring, but some other apocalypse – climate change, or nuclear winter – and we know that he would still laugh merrily, unconcerned, because He Is. Those are our problems.

That, actually, is the comfort and terror of Bombadil. The necessary mystery. 

All of Middle Earth is obviously erased and gone; and also, it was all fantasy. You can’t really turn a corner and meet Elrond, even if you travel in time. Hobbits weren’t really real – Tolkien made them up, borrowing quite a lot of them from Hob-Goblin. But the chalk downland remains.  You could maybe meet Tom Bombadil, or Lob, or Puck. Our governments could fall, our nations collapse, our societies splinter, and he would still be somewhere, watching his bees. 

He cannot – will not – leave, until Oak, Ash and Thorn are extinct. He keeps old paths clear. He, perhaps, could be out there. 

He doesn’t need philosophizing about. He Is. and what He Is is something big – something that makes you laugh at it, almost, rather than facing your own guilt and awe. Something that you read as “jolly,” because the alternative feels increasingly awkward and strange.

And worse, perhaps, he never thinks of you at all.

HERE it is, here’s the only Tom Bombadil meta that I’m going to reblog ever again.

“…[T]he means by which the Universe observes itself” is putting into words the exact thing I’ve struggled to put into words whenever I see this topic.

Before now I kept making vague gestures and saying things to myself like “that one character from Gunnerkrigg Court, who sort of represented humanity’s observation of the world even before humans evolved? It’s like that but also, trees, and the earth doesn’t care if you make it unlivable for yourselves. AM I MAKING SENsE???*”  (*No, no Wesley, you were not).  But now I don’t have to articulate any of those things because Elodie is here and has put it down much better than I ever could have, and that is good, right, and proper. Elodie knows things about England and about Puck that I don’t. And I think this is probably the version, the understanding of things, that the Professor would approve of most and would be happy to know he’d imparted to tree-minded folk who have spent time in the same landscapes he spent time in while he was busy imagining stories. 

I’m mostly equipped for topics relating to Dark Lords and their surface-level squabbles, but I DO like thinking about how the idea of a vast, impartial universe terrifies the absolute shit out of them. (The Uncaring But Beautiful Universe is also the role I ascribe to Varda, and why Melkor fears and hates her the way he does, because he is uncomfortable when things are not about he?? Loving the stars is very much an exercise in learning to love and take comfort in one’s own ephemerality in the face of Time and Nature, even if you’re immortal; and oh boy he just hates that. Melkor himself is a bit of a personification of humanity’s fear of death, discomfort with the unknowable, and the selfish desire to put one’s own ambitions at the heart of everything. He’s sort of a tantrum-y child with demiurgical powers, and I love him very much.)

Gosh I love Place-Spirits. 

Loose Connections – Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadil

If maia takes a hroa of human and a man eats said body, would this count as cannibalism? Like, a maia has a hroa that has a fully himan genetic makeup, all the proteins in place and etc.?

You’ve come to the right place with this question. 

My answer is: Yes, it counts as cannibalism, since the body being consumed was human, while only the spirit inhabiting it was the immortal Maia. If you eat a natural human body, you’re also just eating the body and not the spirit (at least according to the Rules of Tolkien Metaphysics– obviously their are other interpretations available including some IRL ones that I can’t speak for). 

In fact, I’d call that “guilt-free” cannibalism*, since no one really died and only one Maia was inconvenienced by the loss of a mortal guise. And furthermore, the meat should be entirely free of environmental contamination and probably won’t even be especially gamey since this “human” didn’t spend a lot of time in the wild, eating whatever it wanted. (Er, unless it’s one of the Istari. Then all bets are off– Gandalf is probably wicked gamey and stringy and I don’t recommend sampling him). 

So it should be reasonably tasty as far as people-meat is concerned AND healthy! –Unless the Maia in question was just fudging the details vis-a-vis proteins and whatnot, in which case, I take no responsibility for the resulting “Mad-Maia Disease” or incredible indigestion suffered by the cannibal.

*Do not attempt to exploit this glitch for an “infinite meat hack”; Maiar can only go through so many bodies before they run out of power, and they’re likely to get very annoyed at you well before then.

is thuringwethil a furry?

Nah; I think to be a furry there’s gotta be elements of wishful thinking, projection, imagination… that sort of stuff. She’s just a Maia with a bat-form; she doesn’t need to project her personality onto a bat-sona because she can literally BE a bat if she wants. That’s my hot take. 

mythopoeticreality:

Just to add in more about my favorite Semi-Canonical,Totally Obscure Elf Who More People Should Talk About, Tinfang is awesome. I mean okay, he is mentioned in three poems as far as I know, the Lay of Lethien, Over Old Hills and Far Away, and a poem titled after himself called Tingang Warble. And I mean? In basically everything written about him the characterization is basically the same: a Fae like being who spends the night dancing and playing his flute for the stars and moon? (and he is, in the earliest versions of his character Half-Fae, which is also very awesome) I mean, look at this guy for yourself: 

O the hoot! O the hoot!
How he trillups on his flute!
O the hoot of Tinfang Warble!
Dancing all alone,
Hopping on a stone,
Flitting like a fawn,
In the twilight on the lawn,
And his name is Tinfang Warble!
The first star has shown
And its lamp is blown
to a flame of flickering blue.
He pipes not to me,
He pipes not to thee,
He whistles for none of you.
His music is his own,
The tunes of Tinfang Warble!

Pretty much Tinfang is sort of this pied piper/peter pan type trickster figure, and I kind of can’t help but love the image of him darting about through Middle Earth outsmarting and outwitting orcs and kind of making a name for himself? I mean, imagine the legend building around him. What if Tinfang became some major folkloric figure for the elves – especially the Sindar and the Green Elves – during the war against Morgoth? Something Akin to Robin Hood, though perhaps a bit more mystical? there is seriously so much potential in his character and I just…I just love this guy so much.

this is a truly delightful suggestion and I Am For It

https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/376382546/stream?client_id=N2eHz8D7GtXSl6fTtcGHdSJiS74xqOUI?plead=please-dont-download-this-or-our-lawyers-wont-let-us-host-audio

crocordile:

As a USAian I want to say we pronounce all the of the Silm names sooooooo ugly, like, really chunky and terrible X’D everyone else in the world makes the names sound better, our accent is just the absolute worst

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oh, shit, people actually asked me to follow up on Preaching The Good Word of A Functional Alignment System, okay

i hope you people know what you’re unleashing here

(whole thing prompted by this right here, notably including the tag #unpopular opinion: the definition of lawful and chaotic has been thoroughly twisted over the years since od&d)

So some of you (the ones who didn’t request this) might be wondering: “Alterz, why would you want to go back to the old alignment method? If people generally agree on the new alignment definitions then why confuse things by trying to change them? Is this just some old system nostalgia?”

Well 1) I’m too young by far for old system nostalgia but more importantly 2) people don’t? agree????? on the alignments???????

And that’s a problem, because the whole point of the alignments is to give some rough guidelines on how any given character is likely to act. It should be inarguable. The very fact that people can have arguments over what an alignment is means that the system has failed.

If you look in the alignment section on the more recent D&D editions, they literally have to go into detail on each alignment to explain what each one means. Worse still, for a system theoretically set up as a gradient, the different alignments are basically buckets and it gets really confusing if a character doesn’t neatly fit into one of those buckets.

Some examples from characters I have actually played: a mercenary who I labeled as neutral because I could make equally compelling arguments for why he should be lawful neutral, chaotic neutral, neutral good, and neutral evil. A hermit who at any given time was chaotic neutral or neutral good, but could never reliably be described as chaotic good.

Under the system I’m about to provide you, the mercenary is inarguably chaotic neutral and the hermit is unambiguously lawful good. End of sentence, all cleared up.

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“…And ultimately when you put these two together, the issue boils down to this: under the modern interpretation of the alignment system, Good and Evil are what you are, and Lawful or Chaotic are how you do it. […] But if we go back to the old, like really old iterations of D&D, it wasn’t like that, and it made a bit more sense, because: Lawful and Chaotic were What You Are, and Good or Evil was How You Do It.”

WOW OKAY, I’M DOWN FOR THIS??  Really good read! 🙂

(…interestingly, this alignment makes my Melkor suddenly Chaotic Neutral, or perhaps Chaotic Evil/Good simultaneously depending on the situation. Meanwhile Sauron remains as Lawful Evil as he’s ever been. Lawful-Evil-Imitating-Chaotic-Neutral is a great recipe for fucking over relationships and entire civilizations…) 

// I’m nearly done with my reread of the trilogy and part of me so desperately wants to do Science to the Ring because I have so many questions. 

Like, I am -convinced- that the reason why Gorbag and Shagrat + crews start murdering each other over the mithril shirt is because Sam, who has the Ring on at the time, thought that’s what they were doing. 

Like, how much of the bearer’s expectations tint reality at any given time? Especially the behavior of orcs, who are the most susceptible to control by the Ring. 

What is the radius of its effects? Presumably it grows stronger the closer to Mordor it gets, and of course, it will probably have a much greater effect on things that are naturally in its wheelhouse, that it wants to effect and not necessarily what is beneficial to the bearer– at least not directly. Causing chaos and bloodshed amongst orcs is super easy, and if the bearer had a particularly strong belief that that’s what orcs DO, or ought to do, it would explain a lot of the useful coincidences that occur during Sam and Frodo’s hike to Orodruin. Literally every time they encounter orcs, they manage to escape them because they start killing each other or swarming in confusion. Probably not useful for Sauron, but definitely easy enough to make true by the power of suggestion, even for an inexperienced Ring-user.

–And I’m sure there is already ink spilled on this topic that I am excited to read, but: does the Ring make everyone invisible? Or only people who, for whatever reason, want to be invisible? Why would invisibility be the foremost trait of Sauron’s ring of power when worn by mortals? Would it have the same effect on, say, Boromir? Or a Man who was not hiding or trying to escape notice, who purposefully took it up in order to challenge the dark lord? Would he be made invisible too? And does it have something to do with being pulled into a bodiless, Maiar state?

For that matter, did ALL the rings Sauron made have a similar effect, and is that why the Nazgul have no visible shape? Or is simply because their physical bodies have long since been destroyed? 

I HAVE QUESTIONS

Listen: I know I pick on Tolkien a lot around here. For a guy who loves Middle Earth as much as I do, I sure to spend a lot of time silently arguing with its creator. And you might ask, very reasonably, why? There are other fantasy pastures to graze in with ideologies more similar to my own, where maybe I wouldn’t feel so compelled to dig holes in the lawn. 

For me (and I’ve said as much before), questioning the biases in Tolkien’s work isn’t about deconstruction, but reconstruction; it’s a creative process that does so much more than just relieve the frustration I feel towards the text. It’s like… finding out that underneath the final version of the Mona Lisa, there’s a painting of her with eyebrows, and a real smile. Every time I ask What If, or Why, or How, or Who, I get to experience a brand new story; it repaints the whole legendarium with a different brush and a fresh set of colors. 

It is absolutely a generative, collaborative process that feels completely different than reading a story where I agree with the underpinnings as well as the primary text. I don’t, for instance, feel the need to deconstruct Discworld; I just read it, experience delight, let it take me wherever it’s going and say “ah! that was good!”, and then I get off the ride feeling happy. At no point do I hold the book in front of my face and unhinge my jaw to scream into it! There’s very little screaming! Almost know jaw-unhinging! You’d think that would be a more relaxing way to experience media! And it is!

But the stuff that sticks in my craw about Tolkien’s work and doesn’t let me sleep at night because damn it, that’s not how that WORKS, is the same stuff that leaves a window open for me to join that collaborative process. (And it does sometimes feel like I’m breaking and entering, because I am absolutely certain the Professor would object to the ways I choose to redecorate his house– but also, hey dude? Some of this stuff was hella racist and needs to be put out with the garbage anyway, so.)  

It’s only when I feel enchanted, and unsatisfied as a passive reader, that I’m compelled to engage as an artist and a writer, as a critical architect, or even just as an escapist who enjoys imagining familiar, epic moments from different angles. 

…That part is just Fanworks 101, I realize. But specifically, I love questioning THIS text because Tolkien’s framework is so uniquely rich that it can support this many retellings and re-envisionings. I wouldn’t still be here if I didn’t absolutely love the world and the characters and the professor’s enthusiasm for lore and language. I want to have these stories told to me again and again with different endings, and added depth, and a diverse cast, or else I’d have pitched my High Fantasy tent in Pratchett or Le Guin’s or Cherryh’s yard and never looked back. 

I guess what I’m saying is, when you see me furiously typing screeds about colonialism and competent antagonists and elven propaganda while shoving the book into my flaming maw and bellowing, know that it’s because it is my favorite book, and that is how I express gratitude. 

@alexecinz

//Once again, I apologize for the format– When Will Tumblr’s Reply System Come Back From The War? T__T

The prose itself actually doesn’t bother me! I do love the archaisms and the larger-than-life characters (as evidenced by my… frankly embarrassing obsession with the Silmarillion and love of epic sagas). The lack of Hobbits in the Silmarillion is definitely a downer, even if I like to read more humanity into the legends than they appear on the page. I think Tolkien’s heart really shines through in the Hobbits. Every single time I’m frustrated with, as you put it, the lack of modernity in the more Epic Heroes, a Hobbit shows up and says something just… utterly pure and heartwarming and full of recognizable doubt and human sympathy. And I do treasure the moments when Aragorn bends down and flawlessly trolls the hell out of Merry in his sickbed, or Galadriel smiles and talks to Gimli in his own language, or Gandalf goes from being The Prophet Of Doom to an exasperated schoolmaster in the same page. The contrast between the Epic and the earthy is, as you say, truly one of the most charming and engaging points of the story.  

In so many ways, it’s not the style or the characters that bother me, it’s the lurking Edwardianisms and Catholic underpinnings that I find difficult to reconcile with my personal taste and code of ethics (I hasten to add, I don’t begrudge Tolkien or anyone else their Catholicism; it just comes with a recognizable bias that clashes with my own). Ironically, the Silmarillion manages to (mostly) bypass my distaste alarms by going Full Epic– there are NO farmers or barkeeps or talking trees to give us the view at ground level, and so all there is to do really is follow the striving of the mighty against the forces of the gods, with a bucket of popcorn and not much concern for the collateral damage.    (It’s also got far more recognizable pagan myth origins in it, which assuages my prickly feelings about the religious sentiment).  

Maybe it’s that same contrast, seeing the recognizable modernity of hobbits and Strider along side the One True Kingliness of Aragorn Elessar that draws my attention to the elements of One True Kingliness itself that I find questionable. Having the legendary bits coexisting along with the earthy bits just makes me think that, if I were a working Hobbit, I’d want to know why indeed a shiny piece of elfglass gave a fellow the right to represent me and the interests of my vegetables. 

@i-gwarth​  Tumblr is not letting me reply to messages anymore?????  (???)

But YEAH, Yes. Exactly.  I cannot afford NOT to be wary of that sort of language. That kind of language is responsible for an immense amount of harm, to the world and to me personally. 

AND INSULTINGLY, Tolkien frequently holds up wishy-washy, “Let’s-Hear-Both-Sides-And-See-What-Happens” councilors and propagandistic language as tools of the enemy– things to beware of. And I’d like to agree with him! Except that he clearly shows both sides using the same or similar tools to achieve their ends. 

Tolkien’s protagonists rely on is this *sense* of evil; when Evil speaks it does so in fair words which cannot be trusted, while Good speaks the truth, whether or not it seems fair (which is why Gandalf gets shit everywhere he goes for being the Bearer of Bad News).  In theory, right and wrong should therefore be easily parsed: Objective Reality ought to be the focal point of the text’s moral compass. Mordor is untrustworthy and bad because what Mordor DOES is bad; they tear up trees and torture people and Sauron has is historically and personally opposed the Edain in all they do. Meanwhile, what Gondor does is good because they have libraries and trees and value wisdom and peace and kittens, while valiant warmongering is listed as a trait gained in the decline of its wisdom. 

But it just ain’t always so! The text frequently tells us one thing and shows us another, usually muddier, reality. 

If you run down a side-by-side list of “Things Sauron Has Done” and “Things Numenor/Gondor/Gandalf Have Done”, they come out looking disturbingly similar, right down to bullet-points such as: Torture, Cursing People with Undeath (”I only made NINE! Isildur made a whole tribe into ghost zombies!”), violent total slaughter and disrespectful treatment of enemy dead, slavery (not depicted but frequently mentioned), destroying enemy cities, keeping vassal states and people, conquering territories both peaceful and belligerent–

And on the flip side, both sides can also claim: having the loyal and willing service of kingdoms generations after their initial rise to power, creating things of lasting functionality and worth, giving due notice to enemies before invasion and offering fairly reasonable terms of surrender and reparation, not discriminating on a basis of skin color, religion, species, or class– OH WAIT, THAT ONE WAS JUST MORDOR. 

The actual reality of the situation is that neither side is wholly despicable or wholly trustworthy. They each have a particular aim– and that is keeping their respective dynasties in power. And we are told to believe that one side is better than the other mostly because it is being held up as a Symbol Of Good, and for me, that rings all kinds of alarm bells; especially when the text leaves so much obscured.  

Yes, yes, one side loves books and singing and waterfalls, and the other side looks like Hell On Toast. But Mordor has been at war for literal Ages with the entirety of the West, forced back into itself, cut off from trade and probably forced to mine its own resources, to the point of making the already sparse volcanic environment unsalvageable. Last time it had occupancy, it was on the losing end of a protracted siege, after which, the forces of Gondor razed everything to the ground! And we never get to see Sauron’s empire in the East. We only know a couple of things about his rule there, and those are: A) he was worshiped, B) people followed him into battle generations after his previous rule, and C) the local populace really, really hated Numenorian/Gondorian rule but tolerated Sauron’s. 

What was THAT kingdom like? How successful and prosperous was it in its heyday? Does the East also have citadels and libraries and music? They must! They’re humans! We only see how Sauron treats his enemies (specifically the Edain and Elves), and his troops. (His orc troops, who we’re told are slaves, seem like they’ve actually got a pretty standard deal as far as foot soldiers go, and from their dialogue we can presume they won’t be forced to serve after Sauron wins the war.)  This is meant to provide us with all the evidence we need to reject him as an unlawful tyrant. (Also, he doesn’t have a shiny rock.)

Humanity in Real-Life Non-Fantasy Earth has done far worse things in the last century than Sauron ever did given thousands of years’ time to cause trouble. It’s not enough evidence for me to be comfortable with a Biblical condemnation of one side of what appears to be a fairly complex struggle– especially when it bears uncomfortable resemblance to historical and contemporary excuses made by western imperialists to justify the conquest of eastern territories, and the erasure of their “barbaric” cultures, due to the threat of their “spreading tyranny” and non-Christian religions.

And in fact, propagandistic language is used most excessively by the narration to justify the author’s choice of rightful authority. …And all I can say to that is, in the words of the wise mud-farmer: “I didn’t vote for you”.

Saying ‘the enemy will always reveal himself to be a fraudulent coward and a liar despite all appearances otherwise’ is every bit an untrustworthy statement, even if it’s coming from the mouth of Gandalf or the voice of the Narrator.

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