? both.

…I hate that you are praised and idolized for your creations, but I hate also that my kindred do not count the new arrangement of materials as being wholly of the architect’s design. “How splendid is that tower! But could you have built it without the stone? Let us first praise the mountain who provided the stone, and give it EQUAL if not greater part in the praise of its construction! Indeed! Let us ignore ALL creative genius in favor of praising the One, without whom none of this would be possible!” 

Such useless swill makes me seethe! Time and time again they use this reckoning to rob me of my due! No man is an island? Oh indeed! Yet Manwë is Lord of Airs, and what am I? I who had a portion of ALL my kin’s talents? “Lord of Thralls”!

 …I will never claim the Silmarils are mine because I had some part in their making. They are mine because I took them.

~M

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…If you had lived a longer life in Arda, I doubt any of us would recognize it by the time you were through with it. Such a mind spent on politics and isolate grief was an unforgivable waste. You’d have made a dreadful king, but a god amongst scientists. 

~S