I was wondering, are the nicknames for the Finweans (Nelyo, Curvo, Tyelko, Finno, etc) that I see a lot in fanfiction canon or fanon?

lucifers-cuvette:

erunyauve:

a-tehta:

askmiddlearth:

A little of both. If you read this post about elvish naming customs you’ll see that most of the Finweans (that is, the Noldorin royal family) have about three names. One Quenya name from their father, one Quenya name from their mother, and then one of those names that was “Sindarized” when they returned to Middle Earth. Each of the nicknames that you listed above is a shortened version of one of these canonical names (“Nelyo” is, I think, Maedhros, who’s father name is Nelyafinwe; “Tyelko” is Celegorm, who’s mother name is Tyelkormo – I’m not sure who Curvo and Finno are supposed to be, though.) So, in the sense that these nicknames come from canonical names, then yes they’re canonical.

However, Tolkien didn’t use nicknames/shortened names for the elves in his writing, ever. Given the extreme importance the elves put on their names (especially the Noldor), there’s no indication that they would have used shortened nicknames at all. So the use of these shortened nicknames is purely fanon.

(Also, a reminder for anyone writing Finwean fanfiction. Keep in mind that the Quenya names really weren’t used much after the Noldor returned to Middle Earth. In The Silmarillion we only see the Sindarized names used, and with Quenya banned in Beleriand and the (seriously, I cannot emphasize this enough) real importance the Noldor placed on names and transitioning their own names to Sindarin, it doesn’t seem too likely that the Quenya names would have been used while in exile. So “Nelyafinwe”, “Tyelkormo” and the other Quenya names would have existed primarily in Valinor.)


SOURCES: The Silmarillion, The Histories of Middle Earth vol. 12 (“The Shibboleth of Feanor”)

I think it might be worth clarifying that, while Tolkien never used the Feanorian nicknames in the narrative, Christopher did list them, in the Shibboleth? (As far as I recall, Kurvo—not Curvo—is Curufin, but I can’t remember a Finno, either.)

I can also see why some people might use these names even in post-Valinor fics: it is not unreasonable to assume that the Feanorians would diss Thingol and his rules in between slaying his kin, at least in private. (I probably wouldn’t, though: to me, they have the sound of public school nicknames straight out of Wodehouse—Bingo, etc—so I have a hard time taking them seriously.)

…The Exiles took the Sindarin tongue in all their daily uses, and the High Speech of the West was spoken only by the lords of the Noldor among themselves. (The Silmarillion, ‘Of the Noldor in Beleriand’ p 151)

Honestly, this brings me back about 15 years, with the canon police and ‘superior canon’ vs the rest of Tolkien’s writings.  And if this person is going to argue that the Silm is the superior canon, at least get it right.

So, yes, Quenya was still spoken in private.  And I agree about the Fëanorians – why would they shun a language that’s been condemned because it’s associated with them?  (I always thought that was a plothole, anyway – it would have been simpler to just say that the Exiles adopted the language of the land and Quenya fell into disuse, much as Latin did.)  Plus, as I’m sure you already know, Turgon’s household spoke Quenya openly (the Shibboleth p 348).

The Silm doesn’t have much in the way of dialogue, and even in the parts that occur in Valinor, we see the Sindarin names, which is ridiculous – they wouldn’t even know Sindarin at that point.  So, to argue that the Quenya names shouldn’t be used in fic because they weren’t used in narrative doesn’t make sense.  Tolkien at first conceived of Sindarin as ‘Noldorin’, the everyday language of the Noldor, and Quenya as the High Speech, used only in lore.  That’s why everything is in Sindarin.

Moreover, the dialogue we have is limited to formal situations, in which nicknames would never be used.  Obviously, the nicknames were used by family – otherwise, they wouldn’t exist.  So, it seems perfectly appropriate to use them in fanfic. 

THANK YOU!   Excellent response. Now I can delete the nascent screed on my saved drafts.  Or maybe save it to expand on the distinction between bona fide scholarship, i.e., what might be presented at a Tolkien conference or in a journal versus the transformative nature of fan fiction in which the texts serve as mythology and/or (unreliable) history (not stone cold Fact™) and are thus highly subject to interpretation.

Second bold set is mine–

This is why I don’t always track with the idea that the Noldor were being persecuted by the language ban; A) they’re the aggressive invaders, and B) it’s contextually obvious that Quenya is intended to be the Latin of Middle Earth– (It’s like… in-text cultural divisions aside, from a purely authorial perspective, any speech in elven languages comes across to non-elves as being mystical and elevated, but the elves themselves need a variant of language that is EVEN WAY MORE mystical and elevated, which is reserved for items of ancient history and quasi-magical stuff.)  Actually, for me, thinking of the Noldor as being analogous to the Romans makes a lot of sense, and allows a lot of neat parallels to be drawn (without painting a picture of anyone being either totally benign or totally oppressive). 

*note planted with a dagger in the chest of the orc general who held what would become the march of Maedhros* I am still alive Thauron and how well what is left of your troops will tell you. Soon you will see my fortress on the hills. Enjoy the view; as long as you can.

A note is returned; a red-eyed raven scrabbles at an evening window, sawing out a cacophony in announcement as it drops a silver tube of no orcish make clattering to the ground. The silver is dented and scorched, but recognizable as Noldorin in origin. Its task done, the sooty bird retreats. 

“My Dear Lefthander;

I am returning this capsule that we liberated from one of Aegnor’s envoys, who unfortunately no longer able to give it to you in person. Originally, it contained a request for aid and troops from your allies in Ladros— but as they no longer require your assistance, I will make use of this convenient device instead. 

Your fortress is redoubtable indeed. Truly, you have the soul of an architect. Better you should have built your cities in Aman, where they would endure longer, and receive higher praise for their artistry than the soldiers bound to die in this cleverly wrought fortress of yours will ever give it.  

In this you may be certain: I -shall- enjoy the view for as long as I can, before every stone and timber are razed to the ground, and your blood waters the foundations. My memory will be longer lived than either fortress or architect— that immortality is my gift to you.

-In Perpetuity, 

Thû “

Dear Terror,

Exceptionally pleased to hear that my gifts have been delivered safely, though I’m  pained to know that you are mocked by our brethren for your taste in jewelry. Your eclecticism can hardly be commented on by our kin who choose to collect and hoard exotic pets like the Noldor. 

The ring you speak of is not to be worn on hand or foot. It is for intimate occasions. I trust you’ll figure it out. 

Clandestinely Yours
(Until Such Time As You Choose To Return To Melkor’s Service),

~Forgemaster Sauron 

To the disrespectful fiend: How dare you? Picking one of my childrens form and twisting it until it fits you well enough to choose for your own? Leave the Orcas alone and stay out of my waters! Deeply offended, Uinen

“My dear Lady of the Waters! 
I am flattered that you remember that old party trick of mine! I know it was a favorite of your husband’s… 
Rest assured, I’ll not be venturing a swim any time in the near future; I will happily leave you to your soggy domain. You cannot, however, make demands as to how I shape or use my body. And while I am firmly beached on the glacial shores of my Master’s kingdom, I choose to take this form, in honor of your most cordial missive.  

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Oh damn, first snartha with her tiny hobo Beren and now you! My heart cannot contain so much cuteness! Is there any chance to have tiny Voronwë go sailing into the west with Idril and Tuor on a paper boat?

alyruko:

This is the cutest thing I have ever read!!!

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*lies on the floor and dies*

Hi! Nicely done on the dA interview. You deserve the attention. Can I just ask – you mentioned James Gurney having made tutorial stuff? *u* Is that “just” the pricey stuff on his webpage, or is there freebies out there somewhere? Gotta get my hands on those… Anyways – GJ! Cheers!

OH MAN OH MAN OH MAAAAN

okay SO, THE ANSWER IS TOTALLY YES

A) you can sign up for his newsletter, Gurney Journey, and every day you will get a cute little artsy blog post in your email.

B) Check out his Youtube channel!!!!!! Lots of good tutorials, videos of plein air paintings, studio tours, and also PARAKEETS because James Gurney is too adorable for this world. 

Talks with Tolkien artists: RivkaZ by MirachRavaia on DeviantArt

WOW! Hey I got interviewed by a Tolkien Club over on Deviant Art and now I feel like a total celebrity. XD 

I got to answer some cool questions about my art and experiences fandom and stuff. Check it out! 😀

Talks with Tolkien artists: RivkaZ by MirachRavaia on DeviantArt

Your pocket Idril makes me want all the pocket Nolofinweans, Fingon in particular but pocket!Fingolfin arguing with Feanor would be great too :D

alyruko:

tiniest rescue!

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THIS KILLS THE MAIA

lucifers-cuvette

replied to your photoset

“Palette Challenge #8: At The Baths — RivkaZ 2015 This is the second…”

Pandë: Love the erotic Gilgamesh thing goin’ on here! Dark Muse: My dear chap, you have such an impressive…set of pectoral muscles.

Wesley: If “Erotic Gilgamesh” were a magazine, I’d own every issue. 

Muse: “All the better to convert the masses to Melkorism with, m’colleague!" 

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